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Summary of the Public Submissions up to No. 193, the Draft Recommendation Submissions up to No. 418, and the public hearing transcripts from around the country. |
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Australian Government Productivity Commission Conservation of Australia's Historic heritage Places Inquiry 2005Click link to index page - then individual Submission number for full details. http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiry/heritage/subs/sublist.html Transcripts Perth Melbourne Darwin Brisbane Hobart Sydney |
| Brisbane Hearings 3 Feb 2006 |
| Dr. Rygielski - Polish Community Council of Australia Mt. Kosciuszko - very good argument and knows the history of Mt. K. Dual name did not come from the Aboriginal people - started by 4th grade politician and Mayor after publicity. |
| Dr. Bramley - pages 200-210 Tourism products - halls of fame, fail to pay their way - interpretation in situ - heritage trails - govt owned corporations profits prop up govt coffers - no options included in consultations to retain existing buildings "As a result of public protest, this option was included, but it just was included on the basis of "other ideas." It didn't specifically say "keep what's there.". Now, the week after the Southbank Corp put their ad in the Sunday Mail, a group known as Save Our Southbank Action Group, put in their own advertisment in the S.M., which in many ways mimicked the S. ad, but it actually sort of gave some detail on the status quo, retaining the Expo Building and enhancing the park land around them." "They put in the same kind of survey form as the S. Corp had. Option 1 was the Fisherman's Wharf Option 2 was the hotel retail precinct, and Op 3 was open parkland enhancing the Expo Buildings, results of survey. 10 votes in favour of op 1 - 2 votes for op 2 (which is the hotel) - 6,459 votes were in favour of retaining the existing Expo Buildings." - "The Edifice complex" |
| Ms Joy Lamb - Kangaroo Point Residents Association ...or Jack Mundy - so I nominated Caroline Wigg, having recently become a member of the Heritage Committee - the Heritage Council of SA speaker for Save Our Brisbane - over development - height limits changed by planners - pressure put on Mayor by developers - took Council to court and won in 1986. Southbank site alienates sites behind. Land Court expensive - heritage is massaged to whatever desired outcome of the govt. of the day |
| Eagle Farm Community Heritage Project - Aerospace Heritage Queensland - Richard Hitchings "Our submission really highlights the difficulty where a community organisation has to deal with all this different strata and levels of govt, and there is no procedures, there's no protocols, linking all these different levels together." RNE no power - no Local Govt listing in Qld. Cmr BYRON - Yes there is. "Then of course the state govt, in its current political situation, we don't want to even go near them because they're too involved in saving their own skins and I doubt whether they'd be interested in looking at heritage issues unless they can smell an election coming up." A business plan of a founding trust proposed * legal trust - council prevaricating - Queensland Museum and Arts powerless - good people given voluntary retirement - first nominated hangar for heritage listing in 1991 (SOUND FAMILIAR?) |
| Ms Lamb - p243 The National Trust in Qld is now an arm of govt. |
| Perth Hearings 1st Aug 2005 |
| WA Planning Commission Conceptual framework - (the right to develop nonsense) |
| Melbourne Hearings 8th Aug 2005 |
| Australian Heritage Council - (357-377 13p) Expect 300 places on NHL in 2 or 3 years. - * (Harley) "I mean, we can put the S.A. Parliament on the NL, which it's been nominated for, because it was the legislature that gave women the vote, the first place in the western world. It's adequately protected under SA legislation, but the interpretation requires funding, and getting that story out, which is really the value of putting it on a list." "We want to re-engineer the assessment process to outsource a lot more of it and involve a lot more people around the country in doing it, rather than just having it in Canberra." |
| Darwin Hearings 27th July 2005 |
| Northern Territory National Trust - *Jan Hills (video conference) Climate problems - isolated heritage sites like Katherine - vandalism - "We haven't got the history build-up that you might have in other places." ..."so that there are the things that have to be attended to on a daily and weekly basis - education for instance, which needs to be addressed in this area, we just don't get around to because we haven't got the time and we haven't got the resources to do that." We have branches in Timber Creek, Alice Springs, Borroloola and Katherine. Aviation complex at Daly Waters handed back to govt - been a lot of vandalism. No Local Govt involvement. ... at the moment there are over 100 properties before the heritage unit for assessment, so they're that far behind that it's quite a lucicrous situation to be in. Hotel Darwin on our Esplanade where the owners decided that it was uneconomic to keep using. They boarded it up. ... - it has been nominated, you know, for a number of years and it's gone backwards and forwards between the minister and the heritage assessment council, seeking further information and what you have about the problems with the building. - The Nat. Trust asked the minister to put an interim conservation order, and in fact in the middle of the night the day before, they started demolishing it. We got an interim injunction from the Supreme Court to prevent the demolition of the building to have something done, but ultimately the minister wasn't required to ever turn his mind to it. So the interim injunction was discharged after 24 hours and the building was knocked down without any real or proper assessment of its heritage values. The present govt has put aside $200,000 p.a. to assist with maintenance of heritage buildings. |
| Sydney Hearings 18th Aug 2005 |
| Heritage Chairs Australia & New Zealand - Collins (DR271) Includes NSW, Vic, WA, Qld, SA, ACT, NT and Tas (WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING SINCE COAG 1997?) ...important submission, which will rely upon some ground breaking new research that has yet to date not been attempted in this country. (I REST MY CASE) |
| Heritage NSW - Susan Macdonald p869 NSW system has 85 Agencies and 15 semi-commercial - they have a 'Dept of Govt. Architects'- Sydney Water Corp is State owned - CEO of that is policy and planning manager in the cultural heritage division of DEH - DEH receives $2m a year for conservation of historic heritage assets - DEH Environment & Conservation owns 8% of the State. Sydney Water Corp has 220 heritage-listed properties - 90% a part of water and sewerage system. Have 120 heritage advisers in 157 councils across NSW. We provide $12,500 per year to a local council for a heritage adviser. |
| Friends of Quarantine Station - NSW p883 The twelve month or more time period that is currently required for the assessment of nominations of historic heritage places simply contributes to that deterioration. Lack of transperancy in conservation funds |
| Australia ICOMOS - Kristal Buckley (15p) ** P908-933 KB President of Aus ICOMOS and on the Vic Heritage Council - "I'm the expert heritage person on the Aus State of the Envir Commitee and an Aus rep at WH and International expert meetings. Professor Mackay helped draft Burra Charter - Professor Sharon Sullivan - former executive director of AHC, former head of DEH - was delegate of World Heritage Committee - member of NSW HC, Chair of Pt. Arthur Historic Sites - Chair Cultural Heritage Forum - heritage consultant on and off for UNESCO the World Monument Fund and the Getty Conservation Institute |
| Professor MACKAY -..."The absolutely fundamental problem is that the cooperation envisaged in the legislation, and expected through the Council of Australian Govts (COAG (1997)), has not yet taken place." ...There needs to be a proper resourcing package... Australian Heritage Council is not independent - no leadership role - State govts not listing - "What is not okay, is to say, "we won't list this because we've predetermined our management decision." demolition by neglect |
| Australian Garden History Soc - NSW p 952 They have a website. turnover $175,000 a year |
| Lidcombe Heritage Group - Hospital Group since 1994 p960 members - site sold off for Olympics 2000 - court case lost. Is the Australian government bankrupt? |
| Sydney Hearings 19th Aug 2005 |
| Graham Brooks & Assoc - private heritage consultant p 982 Chair ICOMOS International Cultural Tourism Committee - an advocate for 'change management' - (that's consultant geek speak for - managing change?) |
| John Stamolis - Balmain Precinct Committee p 986 NSW has 176 councils. Thematic approach to listing National Trust NSW p 987 Jobbery - conflict of interests with local councils - case studies |
| Australian Government DEH ( 8p) * p1020 Barry Reville, Assistant Sec in charge of DEH Heritage - EPBC Act - Historic Heritage Places - AHC only assesses significance (cop out on a lot of questions asked by the Commissioners) Cmr BYRON - ..."But the amount of work that is required to make a good nomination is probably substantial" |
| Castle Hill Historic Site Community Centre * Gifted by govt in 1975 - no funds - 1804 rebellion birth pangs of democracy - useless govts. The Federal govt is obviously trying to opt out of its responsbilities in contributing to heritage funding ..." it's patently clear they wouldn't have held this inquiry if that wasn't their intention; to see how they can limit their liability." ...and if youv'e got a council that's semi-interested or factionalised, you don't get a guernsey. You can be working for life and still not get a prize. That's what we want to ensure, that there's protection for places of significance and public voluntary assistance that works like slaves to get things done. |
| Brisbane Hearings 25th July 2005 |
| Ian Evans * What I would like to suggest is a system perhaps modelled on the one in use in Britain, where they have a National Lottery. The present system is broke and we need to fix it. ...What is important is what guides the hammer or the bricklayer's arm, and its an understanding of what is required and the understanding should relate to the sympathetic use of materials and the way in which they're used so that what happens relates to the period of the building. |
| Ivan Macdonald Architects * All levels of legislation espouse a criteria and Brisbane City Council have a particular way of dealing with their heritage listings which avoid them being taken to appeal. So ultimately the council is not held accountable for erroneous listing. ...in my experience Iv'e seen whole sections of state govts being run by ex-real estate agents whose sole role is to dispose of public buildings that somebody has decided are liabilities rather than assets. ...that brings me to the more important second point and that is the separation of assessment of significance and management of the place. We can eventually separate those two tasks .. so that the assessment of significance can be done objectively and purely on the merits of the places of cultural and heritage significance |
| Kangaroo Point Residents Assoc & Save Our Brisbane* Brisbane is affected by being a city-state, it is the largest council in the Southern Hemisphere certainly and possibly the world now with the greater Brisbane area under its control. I think that is our biggest problem ...3 gigantic councils taking the majority of the population, I think that the pressure is so strong and the power is in the hands of the few, both govt and council wise, that Brisbane suffers the potential loss of its total identity ...but more recently have gone back to a limited use of the resident's association in an offshoot, unincorporated, because of legal actions we've had to support with specific people's money. ...The heritage can remain, because if the buildings in the future respect the existing buildings, then everybody wins, ...no one can believe us now when we say that it was to go to 3 theme parks and a carpark by a private developer ...it took 5 years of people's lives. ..we then saved $70m of taxpayers' money in a private compensation sought by the developer ....The Federal Court and Justice Susan Kiefel, who subsequently did rule against the appeal for compensation...for stopping a development that never had rights to take that Crown Land anyway. We won the height limits, we won the cliffs, we won some public river walkways that Brisbane is now so proudly touting for residents and visitors alike at Kangaroo Point ...The National Trust of the day did not support us. They were more interested in how many cars would park there. ...people whom I had known and respected, heritage architects of major reputation have, to my really great sorrow, been diminished in their ability to act without fear or favour and conflict of interest. |
| Craigstone P/L - privately owned heritage building 7 storeys high - first hi-rise built in 1928 - problem for the residents National Trust Qld - Anne Bennison In Amercia particularly if you just pick out even a wide-scale map of the US you will see the historical monuments on it, etc. We have nothing like that |
| Hobart Hearings 12 Aug 2005 |
| Dept Tourism, Parks, Heritage & the Arts * (Scott Gadd - 614-636) |
| National Trust Tasmania (Transcript 637-656) Tourism and volunteers - examples UK - National Trust W.A. trying to become a Limited Company by guarantee. The National Trust heritage list handed over to the State Heritage Council to be their list - all the hard work done by the NT (p654 Cmr BYRON is in ignorance of the different heritage lists - RNE) |
| Hobart City Council p657 ...The Bush Heritage Fund that started here in Hobart is actually now doing that all over Australia. We don't beat around the bush, we buy it. ...quite often it's the case of a house that does have problems is really getting the right owner. |
| Tourism Council of Tasmania - Vincent Barrow p675 If we're going to keep tourists coming, we need more high-standard accommodation, more modern attractions and not necessarily more heritage buildings preserved - |
| Richmond Residents Assoc - Barry Chapman * (Transcript 685-693) Council lost summary of two year plan - council discretion - is a big problem - 'advisory' committees of councils - and 'planning' committees give conflicting and different permissions - signage allowed by councillors against their own planning rules - so "heritage in itself has no value unless we can make a dollar out of it." But it is apparent for anybody who travels overseas that heritage can and does work very well elsewhere in the world and in fact is an integral part of a tourism product. One of the main reasons people go is for this sense of the eternal that comes from long-settled townships and buildings. The council has never responded to the EDO. |
| Richmond Bridge - Graham Abbott Conservation plan 1997 recommended load limit of 15 tonnes. That's been ignored |
| Transcripts Adelaide Hearing - 3 Aug 2005 Artlab Australia 247-260 (Sub 140) Adelaide Arcade P/L 261-271 (Sub 34) Kath Crilly 272-286 (Sub 26 & DR246) Heritage Preservation Association - Shirley McNamara 287-298 (DR243) Tim Simson 299-310 Cultural Heritage Centre for Asia & the Pacific 311-325 Kelly Henderson 326-336 351-353 (Sub 90) Collections Council of Australia 337-350
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